Category: News and Views
1. why did it take him so long. It must have taken 48 hours for him to die, and I was watching the news wanting him to hurry up and get on with it! 2. If he'd gone to hospital he’d probably still be alive and would have lived a little longer buot he wanted to die so he refused help therefore committing suicide. 3. I noticed that there was hardly a mention of Jesus during all of this by those reporting or watching events unfold with regarcds the decline of the Popes health. 4. If 3 more members of the royal family decide to marry someone on Friday there’ll be 4 weddings and a funeral.
All the poor people of the world who can't afford contreception and all those who wish to use contreception to avoid contracting STI's, should join me in celebrating the fact that the pope is dead and hoping that the next pope won't be so stupid and narrow-minded.
well the weddin'gs been changed now and it will be on Saturday.
Oh that's a shame. It should have been on Friday and it should have been at exactly the same time. But no doubt if both events were at the same time, there would be problems in Northern Ireland with the catholics and protestants killing each other because they disagree about which event is more worth watching.
And all those couples who for whatever reason are unable to concieve a child naturally and would try IVF if their loving, compassionate, religion hadn't decreed that any child born out of IVF would be considered to be a mortal sin!.The sooner the cathloic faith is abolished the better
ok we all have our views on certain religions and the way they are practiced etc, I myself am not a catholic and have my own views on the role the catholic church has played in the AIDS crisis in Africa. however, I believe that there is a time to express such views, and there is a time to have respect, and in my view, this is that time. Whatever your beliefs, the head of the catholic church has died, and whatever effect that has on the faith, only time will tell, but for now, the catholic church is in mourning because it has lost its leader, and there may be many practicing catholics on this site who wish to pay respect, so I think that to post such things as "I'm glad the pope is dead, why didn't he just do it sooner," and "abolish the faith altogether", are highly inappropriate, and insensitive at this time. at least let them bury him before you start dancing on his grave.
I have no respect for a religion that decrees that a much loved and wanted child is a mortal sin! The pope was a closed minded ignorant intolerant brainwashed bigot who's beliefs hadn't moved on from the disgraceful episode of catholic church colluding with the SS, in the murder of 6 million jews, gays, disabled children and adults ect, also gypsies the odd black or asian ect..don't expect me to mourn for the bloody pope!.
well like I said, we all have our own views on certain religions and the role they have played in certain events in history. And no one was asking you to mourn for the pope, but there are others who may wish to do so, and to start this topic so soon after his death is highly inappropriate. Would it kill you for once to keep your opinions to yourself for a couple of weeks?
why I am entitled to my opinions after all if you think it it need to be said ...and would it kill you to do something about your arrogance, in telling me when I can and cannot post...you should join the catholic church..
hey, the pope might have had mental problems after all, shouldn't we be a little more understanding of him ... well, it would only be ok if he goes out with a gun and kills people of course though.
ah yeah. and he wasn't obese either, so at least we can't say he was pathetic.
I am, by no stretch of the imagination, Catholic, however, the intolerance and insensitivity some of you are condemning the pope with is rather hypocritical, don't you think? After all, I would imagine that you wish to view yourselves as open-minded, tollerant individuals who answer to no one but yourselves, and that's all good and well, but whether you are down with Catholicism or not, at least show some respect for the Zone members who mourn the pope's death. After all, that is what the true spirit of tolerance is, or are you too closed-minded and stuck on yourselves to see that?
well said krajiel, that was exactly the point I was trying to make in an earlier post ... however sadly the world is full of narrow-minded individuals who don't care whether they upset people or not, but I guess not everyone can be equally as tolerent.
Thank you Kragiel and both Sugar people. First of all, the Pope didn't go to the hospital because he knew he was going to die and wanted to do it in the comfert of his home surrounded by friends. Yes, perhapps if he did go to the hospital he would've lived longer, but he was very old and suffering a great deal. I'm a Catholic, though a very liberal one, and though I don't share the views of the late Pope on some things, I would appreciate it if some of you would keep your opinions to yourself right now. This Pope was a friend to Catholics and non-Catholics around the world. He worked to bring about freedom and peace, and he inspired a love of God in many of today's youth, including myself. I think his death is a loss for all of us, so now is the time to remember the great life he lived.
oh but kris how dare you be so arogant as to tell people when they can voice their opinions ...
And some dispicable people delight in abusing people who are grieving and torn to pieces for christs sake! how low can a person go,hmm? Sugarbaby if you had suffered as badly as we have lately, I would have been genuinely sorry but your message to me was completely devoid of sincerity I would have been happier with a message of comfort from Osama bin laden!
then you proceded to vent you're anger, hate, spite, immaturity and hypocrisy on me when you were well aware, of how fragile I was emotionally: for you to have sunk so low disgusts me! ..you are clearly lacking in everything that would make you a decent human being so I sincerely hope you end up completely alone, eaten up by hate and wishing and hoping for some sign, from anyone, stupid enough to feel sorry for you...and remember this children are subliminally affected by negative emotions so feck knows how Nathan will turn out, when he becomes aware of the depth of your poisonous dislike, of not only yourself but every living thing!.
goblin. I'd prefer if in future, you take really hateful pot shots at people off the boards please. thank you. this is about the pope, not about how you don't like sugarBaby.
I would liam but your woman wont answer her pms so what is 1 to do..
it is interesting because in all reality, the pope is probably the most prominant religious leader, I'm sure those of you of other faiths might correct me if I'm wrong, however, even the highest leaders of other faiths are not as well-known, and not as well-travelled as the pope was. He is the most well-travelled pope in history, having visited over 120 different countries. although of course in past years the means of travelling so far were not available, and as he was one of the longest serving popes that would have given him more time to visit more countries. But even when he was at his frailest, he always kept his commitments.
They estimate that 2 million people will file past his body as it lays in state, I imagine rome will grind to a complete halt for the next few days.
And they also reckon, that the pope may have already elected his successor two years ago, a secret testament is yet to be read which may confirm the name of this secret cardinal.
Whatever peoples' views, it goes down in history, and our children will learn about it.
Liam, well said.
Goblin, I will say this, for you to claim to be a marter and unable to hate the same day you call someone discpicable I think sums up the character of your postings very well.
You wish it on people that they end up alone, you take positive delight in people being divorsed, oddly enough SB did not say to you it was a good thing that baby died so it wasn't born into a family like yours, you said to her it was a good ting her husband left her, I think those two statements are actually equal, you have absolutely no symjpathy for others, and, well, using your own argument your troubles are not even worth considering because there's so many people who suffer more in the world. I'm just deducing from your own popinions expressed in posts on these boards, I'm not saying those are my opinions. I really expected more of you man, I was not able to believe people who accused you of a lot of things and one being that you were banned from a wb site for your postings. However you've proved all those people right in my eyes over the last couple of weeks.
It's been quite an interesting thing to see, you turn down advice, create little mini dramas that obviously have very little real world basis, having a friend who you report as an obsessive stalker and then turns out to be your best friend again in a day, it's very hard to believe and if it's true just shows what kind of disregard you have for your friends and what kind of friend you proved to be to that guy.
That being said, I still hope the best for you and that you come through and are happy but moreover hope you stop hurting people's feelings and try to argue based on some rational arguments rather than fantasies and personal accusations that are, by enlarge, completely unfounded.
In any case .. that's it for me, I agree with Liam, too many of these discussions have turned into you offending people and when they hit back you ignore it, it's not fun discussion to read for anyone and the boards shouldn't be so occupied with these types of discussions.
All the best man, here's hoping you one day will manage to grow up and see there areother points of view and other people in the world and other perspectives, so far I'm not aware of you having realized any of this.
Cheers
-B
Few people know that the pope was instrumental in lending support to the Polish revolution that eventually brought down the Berlin wall in the late 1980s. His work in heping to convert the crumbling communist regime into democratic states will be remember all over Eastern Europe for years to come. I am Lutherine, not catholic, but I really respect the man and what he stood for and did in the world. Yes, I think the catholic church is too big on organization and does not emphasize the personal relationship with God and there are a lot of things within that church that could go better, as in any big organization or company really, and hopefully the church wil modernizeits views (WW, although when you criticize the pope for his view on abortion just take a look at US's stand on the isue, they are refusing to fund a lot of contraceptive projects and want absteinance to be the key factor in their teachings and preached through their contributions, an in all reality staying tru to one partner and not sleeping around is the most effective Sexual Desease control we have in fact).
I'm horid that peope on this board be as curel and heartless as to actually celebrate someone's death before their body even grows cold, it's really discusting actually.
cheers
-B
he apparently also spoke something like 11 languages. apparently a pope has to be able to speak a certain amount of languages, not exactly sure how many, but sure I can find out ... but this particular pope spoke way over that amount. also, he was apparently very charismatic, and could talk to anyone about anything. Before he went into the church, he was a semi professional footballer!
Wildebrew both you nand your pet have abused me for weeks non stop and its all there in black n white,it's a deliberate attack on me when I am already vulnerable hurting and miserable...at night I sit in the dark and feckin cry for the child I will never f..king know!
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despite that and without fail, you 2 have gone out of your way to abuse and provoke me almost every day...I think this behaviour is dispicable,derisible and extremely childish, you both must be consumed with malice, anger and a deep sense of self loathing, to attack someone who is grieving though that seems to mean nothing to you.Just because I'm here doesn't mean I've recovered from our loss,not by a long shot..and you seem to see my grief as an opportunity to provoke me with your ignorant childish remarks,in theyou hope that I will come back at you and give you a chance to start an argument ...how very christian of you!...
And as for the pope I wonder if the cathloic boys and girls abued by the paedophile priests will mournb for a man who could have brought an end to their terrible suffering,but instead HE chose to ignore the actions of 100's of paedohpile priests and violenmt sadistic nuns,BEATING AND ABUSING VULNESABLE INNOCENT children'sin their care in church run homes...Instead he agreed to pay off these people to KEEP IT SHUT!". the hypocrisy here is disgusting!
I would explain the story with Stevie but really its none of your business.. he's a top notch guy and 3 times the man you could ever hope to be...
well, my quest to determine how many languages the pope spoke continues, however, he was the first non-italian pope for over 450 years. There is still a lot of speculation as to his successor - some believe it might even be a Nigerian pope - would the world yet be ready to accept a black pope?
Goblin, if you are sitting at night and crying after your partner has had a very early miscarriage then you need help...it really is not the big deal you are making it out to be, and I should know because I have really, actually had one! According to you, you already have a healthy son, your girlfriend is young and if she wishes will go on to have many more children, therefore you have much to be thankful for....Except for the fact that we all now know that everything you post is made up of course. However, it is absolutely no excuse to go laying into Sugarbaby in that aggressive and insulting manner, you have really scraped the barrel now with the stuff you are coming out with and something should be done.
um, why does every topic have to end up about ghoblin. Um, you guys all fall for his crap every time. He likes the attention. Heck so does the one that started this topic, crangle wangle as the lawlord puts it, did we expect any less of them? And about the catholic thingy, I'm sure we could find many things about all the other religions we don't agree with. That is why there are so many different religions. Everyone has there own beliefs. So if you are making it a point to down our pope at a time like this, I'm not going to waist my time trying to debate this with you. After all, we all know you don't want to have a intellegent conversation. You just want to make yourself heard. You want to start a rivalry amongst everyone so you can be your immature self and put everyone else down! Heck, you probably don't even know anything about the pope and catholic religion. Wait, I'm letting myself fall into your trap debating it with you. smile- angel
Angel oh wrong you are...
I was certainly not seeking attention I was however merely pointing out, the truth, about the so caled loving caring pope who left 1,000s of children deeply traumatised by ignoring systematic continual abuse by the catholic church...but like the pope you want to pretend it never happened how bloody convenient for you
I shall be showing absolutely no respect for the Pope for all the reasons I have stated above and as for this Polish revolution thingy, well the Pope only inspired all those people because Catholicism wasn't really tollerated by the communists who believed that religion should be banned. That's the only reason he was so bothered about it. Instead we should show respect to all those3 people who are dying in countries with a high catholic population because they were advised by catholics against using protection or it wasn't provided when the catholics could have made it available. Also we should condemn Italy. Why is all that bottled water that they have for people gathering for the funeral not been sent to help the tsunami victims? By putting the mourners of that damn pope before Tsunami victims, the Italians are being cruel, and spoiling the spoiled. All that water and the beds should be sent to indonesia or Sril anka and would be if all those people victims were catholic and that's why Italy , theVatican and all people who agree with the help being provided to the mourners of the Pope are sick!
ww I don't imagine you as being the type to show any respect for anyone. as for your point about sending the bottled water to the victims of the tsunami, no one actually sent bottled water over there, money was given to the various charities involved in helping with the clear up after the tsunami, and most of the provisions, water, food etc, was sourced locally, because it's cheaper to do it that way and they can therefore provide more food and water that way.
Wangel cratefuls of bottled water sat boiling in the indonesian sun because the customs wanted the rescue teams to pay excise duty on the donations! And to blame Italy for something so petty is derisible... have you ever been the mediterranean the heat is unbreable at times, and these people will be standing out in it for hours as much as I question their judgement dehydration is not a pleasant condition and may of the mourners are elderly...
the weather for Rome 63 degrees with 55% humidity partly sunny with ssw wind...
Aaah, let us take away WW's internet account and use his monthly subscription money to help people in Asia, he is not helping them and he does not need the internet so let us condamn him and all of his friends and take away their computers and stereos, sell them off and use the money to help relieve victims indeed.
Hail to the pope
-B
um, and where did I even mention the pope and the sad situation with the kids? Actualy when it is braught forward it is being taken care of. But again, I'm not going to debate with you. So please don't put words in my mouth. - angel
hehehehehehahahaha, good one wildabrew! smiles! angel
Well in Sudan they need water people are dying because of conflict there and there's not enough food or water so if there was all that available for mourners of the anti-homosexuals, anti-abbortion, anti-contriception, pope it should have been supplied to darfore instead. It's hotter there than in Itally and the Tsunami hit regions are nearer the equator. I don't pay monthly internet fees for any site so you can't take away what isn't been provided Wildebrew. I would show respect to people who deserve it Sugarbaby, and someone who wants innocent people to die of aids clearly isn't worvy of any respect.
Also communism would have collapsed without the popes contribution. The economic factors and the will of the people were more significant in the demise of communism so the pope shouldn't have been praised for it.
that's all very noble ww but see it isn't that simple. Yes I have my own personal views on the catholic church's approach to AIDS. There was absolute outrage when he visited africa in 1991 and proclaimed that people shouldn't wear condoms because they're contraceptives. But sadly the AIDS crisis in Africa goes way way deeper than the wearing of a condom. The reality is, that in order to do something about the AIDS crisis in africa, we have to re-educate people, re-build culture, because a lot of the reason why aids is so rife is down to culture, promiscuity is seen to be acceptable, women are expected to bear children for their men, whatever their state of health, it goes much further than that, but this is going off topic
And in this education we ought to tell people that in order to prevent STI's they should wear contreception and if that controdicts the values of the ideology they follow they should choose a different one.
Another observation about The Popes death. In 1981 Prince Charles announced he was getting married. Months later the pope was shot. In 2005 Prince Charles announced he was getting married, months later gues what ... the pope is dead!